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Table Talk

Posted: Fri Feb 20, 2009 4:12 pm
by card player 2
I was wondering how people may define table talk as it pertains to Hardwood and not real euchre? Cause lord we know this aint real euchre. Can using fooms in certain situations be considered table talk? It seems besides the loppy tables the table talk is becoming almost as bad. I have seen countless times where one P will foom their P the "clover leafs after that P has ordered up trump, as to say,"good luck P you are on your own". My personal favorite is when an opponent has taken a second trick we have ordered and the one opponent will foom the other P the gold coins cause they have the right in their hand. When I ask for them not to do it I always get the response, what does it matter I had the right in my hand, it was gonna be a euchre anyway. My response is always, "well if doesnt matter then wait till the hand is over to do that and furthermore your P didnt have to worry about what cards he played next cause everyone knew it was a euchre" So am I off my rocker on this one or not?

Re: Table Talk

Posted: Sat Feb 21, 2009 2:13 am
by grandmaS
No your not off your rocker :), fooms can be (but shouldn't be) used to give the players clues to what they have in thier hand in any of the games. Many foom good luck meaning strickly good luck whether they have good or bad hands. Many here love the fooms and use as many as they can get so if your playing with someone new you may have to pay attention for a hand or two to see if they are just foomy people :) or if in fact they are giving some kind of foom signals (kind of like smoke signals but prettier :)

No form of table talk is acceptable, so if someone is doing it please stop. Lets keep the fooms just the fun little toys they were meant to be.

Hugs and Smiles
Linda/grandmaS

Re: Table Talk

Posted: Wed Feb 25, 2009 5:14 pm
by American Beauty
If this were my post, I would entitle it "Or Even the Appearance of Evil."

It might sound like a terribly arrogant thing to say, but once you make it out of the lower-rated games you will find more serious playing and you won't encounter such blunders.

Re: Table Talk

Posted: Sat Feb 28, 2009 11:43 pm
by daruka
Add "DOD" to the list too please. To me seeing "dod" means simply that your pard is very thin and you called this hoping for a lot of help. Any kinda of chat pertaining to your hand or your call should not be happening at the table until that hand is played out.

Re: Table Talk

Posted: Sun Mar 01, 2009 11:52 am
by Todd Johnson
daruka wrote:Add "DOD" to the list too please. To me seeing "dod" means simply that your pard is very thin and you called this hoping for a lot of help. Any kinda of chat pertaining to your hand or your call should not be happening at the table until that hand is played out.
I agree, just start sayin DOD every hand. :)

Re: Table Talk

Posted: Sun Mar 01, 2009 1:01 pm
by Dust In The Wind
I agree with the fooms and any talk that may give a pard or other an indication of how to play (I do mean here that it shouldn't be used and is cheating). Granted in Euchre it should always be aggressive going for the 2 or the euchre. I don't have a problem with anything on the pard going on a loner since they ARE on their own. I see more damaging "crossboarding in hearts or spades since it can indicate to stop in a suit or keep going because playing into your hand. Only time I will foom (usually a kiss to a female pard, zap to male pard LOL) when I'm TRAM after their play, no way to stop me now and that was after their play made it so. You also know I got ya when I say 'UH OH!!" even though the TRAM isn't yet, I have all the boss cards and it's coming.

Crossboarding in any form is not needed if you are real pards and know each others play anyways.

JUST DUST

PS - seen plenty of cheats in real card games with the signals but if your watching you will pick up on it and believe the same will be evident using fooms and chat.

Re: Table Talk

Posted: Sun Mar 29, 2009 11:17 pm
by card player 2
OK. So I just filed a report against two people that were doing this kind of "veiled table talk". What will happen? And why cant info be posted in the lobby about this stuff(ie what is considered table talk etc). after I called these two opponents out they decided to drag the game down to snails pace and it took about 20 minutes to finish the game.

Re: Table Talk

Posted: Sun Mar 29, 2009 11:20 pm
by card player 2
Another example of this table talk that goes on all the time is as soon as someone takes 2 tricks and has the guaranteed 3rd trick they will say to their P "nep" before the hand is over. S now that person doesnt have to worry about what card they play cause their P just told them "nep".

Re: Table Talk

Posted: Mon Mar 30, 2009 6:03 am
by Sailing_Away
Usually the truth is somewhere in between two sides of a skirmish, and you wouldn't want to be unfairly called out for cheating any more than you like playing with people you believe are cheating. This is why public disclosure of cheaters in the lobby is not allowed and why all such matters are discreetly handled by SCE support via filing reports.

Re: Table Talk

Posted: Mon Mar 30, 2009 3:11 pm
by card player 2
Im not talking about posting peoples names in the lobby Im talking about posting something that SCE considers to be table talk, rules they expect to be followed etc. They have had that message up in the about the 2 players winning that tourney so I know there is the capability to do that. As far as filing reports, why bother you never hear back from SCE whether any action was taken. So that really leaves your options limited except to take things into your own hands and start calling people out. There arent too many sides when an opponent annouces to their partner "nep" before the hand is over. I would be curious as to how that is not table talk. My definition of table talk is ANY talk about a hand that is currently being played is table talk. PLAIN SIMPLE AND TO THE POINT. Here at HW table talk is rampant. I can almost guarantee that every freekin game I play there is table talk going on by one of the other 3 persons.

Re: Table Talk

Posted: Mon Mar 30, 2009 5:46 pm
by card player 2
It just happened again. I order trump. As soon as they take the first trick one of the opponents starts the heart fooms and I get euchred. So I say, "congrats on the euchre but next time wait till the hand is over before fooming cause it was obvious what you meant" My P agrees say he knows what her fooms meant. Then a brew-haha ensues and Im not backing down from my calling them out on the table talk. Why cant there be an option to host a game where there is no talking or no fooms. Please dont tell me I can turn off talk and foom feature because what good will that do if eveyone else can still do that and use fooms as a form of table talk. SCE tries to accomodate the social aspect of euchre(fooms and cuss like a sailor room) how about you give those if us here where the social aspects means zilch the ability to host a game without all that extra crap.

Re: Table Talk

Posted: Mon Mar 30, 2009 6:17 pm
by Todd Johnson
I consider table talk as talk that would help someone play the hand. Saying "nep" when it doesn't matter what card is played is really not considered table talk, in my opinion. My reasoning is because in live games most people would just throw their hand down because it does not matter how the cards are played, it still results in a euchre. But sending a luck foom before any card is played would be considered table talk to me.

-Todd

Re: Table Talk

Posted: Tue Mar 31, 2009 6:22 am
by Sailing_Away
card player 2 wrote:...cuss like a sailor room...
Yikes! My reputation precedes me!